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[thread] I would be able to move on from brexit if......

 We had been told the UK holds some cards and not all of them
That it would be a difficult deal and not the easiest deal in history
That we would have liabilities to pay and these would be a substantial amount and that they are not zero and they do not buy us a trade deal
That we do not have "many solutions" to the NI border and that at the last having exhausted drones, blimps, random country examples that don't solve it and oh yes unspecified technology instead a border in the Irish Sea that no unionist can support is the answer
That far from cutting red tape this will introduce more red tape
That services will not gain access to the EU single market and they will be overlooked
That fish will be used to barter away for a deal
That we need them more than they need us
That when you say you have a plan that you can actually present evidence of its existence
That you don't cheat
That you don't lie
That you don't peddle simplist fantasy
That you don't use EU citizens as bargaining chips
That you don't say that from September 2016 we will negotiate new free trade deals with countries to be ready to sign in <2 years
That you don't lie about a dividend about a number that in itself is a lie
That you admit there will be economic damage but that you will try to take steps to minimise it
That rather than say there is no risk to sterling you admit the pound needs a correction anyway (to explain away Sterling moves after 23/6)
That you don't peddle racism, xenophobia and islamophobia fostering an atmosphere of hatred and fear that culminated in the murder of an MP
That you respect electoral law rather than sending emails scheming how to circumvent it
That you don't call the EU the 4th reich or EUSSR or any other fucked up conspiracy bullshit e.g. Kalergi conspiracy
That you don't threaten to starve the Irish, invade Spain, invade France
That you don't use EU citizens as bargaining chips
That you are able to rebut experts rather than insult and demonise experts with ad hominem insults
That you didn't invent the ridiculous brexit means brexit slogan to roll on a con
That you didn't invent the dangerous no deal is better than a bad deal without quantifying what a bad deal is or a no deal is
That you don't lie to the Queen to unlawfully prorogue Parliament
That you don't vote to break the law
That you don't call the french turds, employ nazi jibes or any other numbers of insulting words used to feed an atmosphere of hatred towards neighbours
Quite simply

I want you to be able to hold your held up high as you win

As Margaret Thatcher puts it

"The manner of winning is a matter of honour."
And at the last

You have nothing except empty hollow platitudes of "sea of opportunity", "seize the opportunity" , "move on" , "our friends and neighbours"

That really is lowering the barrel even further
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I am going to do a thread on several numbers

1

2,996

4,494

43,730

106,158

Now

We go back into the dim and distant past in British politics

We go back over 2 decades

A lesson from the past

Now I am going to focus on the words of two politicians

Two politicians who have held high offices in this land

And I am going to agree with their words

So those with a long memory

May have already figured out perhaps what I am going to do based on the first two numbers

And you'd be right

So let me get going on the journey

In my first post

I deliberately anonymised those numbers

Let me now give them context

1 Princess Diana or Margaret

2,996 9/11

The final 3 are UK coronavirus death tolls:

4,494 (5th April 2020)

43,730 (30th June 2020)

106,158 (1st February 2021)
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[thread]

Let's unpack this


"Since Brussels is convinced"

I like that

Personalise it to Brussels

Not 27 EU nations, our friends, neighbours

"convinced that leaving is an unprecedented act of self-harm"

it has been an act of self-harm

see the damage so far

see why no deal has to be sold as an Australia style deal

see why it has to be hidden within the "massive success" of covid

"it could be proved right"

See UK government forecasts

Not a single one positive

See Liz Truss - unable to explain how any trade deal will make us better off

But not to worry we will "mightily prosper"

"I don't see why they want to crib and confine the UK"

The UK is asking for a deal

The EU will offer one

If the UK doesn't like it well perhaps you should have thought of that before selling simplist fantasy bullshit to lie to voters
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