New rule: you don't get to ask questions like this without dropping your salary

Look, if you're not working through IT ticket queues or answering pages or shipping apps for free without any health insurance or monetary support, then you're a huge poser and lack real *passion* for tech
You know who works out of passion and not for money? Teachers.
Also, being *passionate* about something doesn't mean you're good at it! And you can be excellent at something while having other interests and motivations.
Because that's really what this is all about. When a tech person asks about passion, they think the amount of passion equals the amount of competence. And *their* passion makes them more competent than other people.

Except that's not true.
Who do you think is more motivated to be competent? Someone who reads all the Hackernews posts and follows all the “right” influencers and has 50 unfinished side projects...

Or someone who needs to be really, really good at Ruby or their family goes hungry?
If surgeons were *passionate* the way tech bros want everyone to be, they would be serial killers.
I want my surgeon to be studious, aware of new methodologies, engaged in their industry community, and confident in their abilities through practice.

Is that passion? Or is that someone who wants to do a good job, so they get paid well?
We expect surgeons to be paid well, and we want them to be paid well, but no one is asking a surgeon if they're “passionate” about their job. We expect they enjoy it (or the money) enough to get really good at it.
Anyway, this is a false dichotomy. You can be passionate about tech and also expect to be paid well for being good at something.
Muting this thread because I'm passionate about self-care

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Like most movements, I have learned that the definition of feminism has expanded to include simply treating women like human beings.

(A thread for whoever feels like reading)


I have observed feminists on Twitter advocating for rape victims to be heard, rapists to be held accountable, for people to address the misogyny that is deeply rooted in our culture, and for women to be treated with respect.

To me, very easy things to get behind.

And the amount of pushback they receive for those very basic requests is appalling. I see men trip over themselves to defend rape and rapists and misogyny every chance they get. Some accounts are completely dedicated to harassing women on this site. It’s unhealthy.

Furthermore, I have observed how dedicated these misogynists are by how they treat other men that do not immediately side with them. There is an entire lexicon they have created for men who do not openly treat women with disrespect.

Ex: simp, cuck, white knight, beta

All examples of terms they use to demean a man who respects women.

To paraphrase what a wise man on this app said:

Some men hate women so much, they hate men who don’t hate women

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Always. No, your company is not an exception.

A tactic I don’t appreciate at all because of how unfairly it penalizes low-leverage, junior employees, and those loyal enough not to question it, but that’s negotiation for you after all. Weaponized information asymmetry.

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And by the way, you should never be worried that an offer would be withdrawn if you politely negotiate.

I have seen this happen *extremely* rarely, mostly to women, and anyway is a giant red flag. It suggests you probably didn’t want to work there.

You wish there was no negotiating so it would all be more fair? I feel you, but it’s not happening.

Instead, negotiate hard, use your privilege, and then go and share numbers with your underrepresented and underpaid colleagues. […]
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I'll begin with the ancient history ... and it goes way back. Because modern humans - and before that, the ancestors of humans - almost certainly originated in Ethiopia. 🇪🇹 (sub-thread):


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“We don’t negotiate salaries” is a negotiation tactic.

Always. No, your company is not an exception.

A tactic I don’t appreciate at all because of how unfairly it penalizes low-leverage, junior employees, and those loyal enough not to question it, but that’s negotiation for you after all. Weaponized information asymmetry.

Listen to Aditya


And by the way, you should never be worried that an offer would be withdrawn if you politely negotiate.

I have seen this happen *extremely* rarely, mostly to women, and anyway is a giant red flag. It suggests you probably didn’t want to work there.

You wish there was no negotiating so it would all be more fair? I feel you, but it’s not happening.

Instead, negotiate hard, use your privilege, and then go and share numbers with your underrepresented and underpaid colleagues. […]